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Question: are you participating in the outcry of investors around the country who want to participate in peer-to-peer lending?
Yes - 7 (6.8%)
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« on: May 10, 2009, 09:55:13 pm »

prosper's statement has been posted in various threads. here is a copy in case you haven't read it
http://prosperclassaction.wordpress.com/


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« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2009, 10:00:20 pm »

prosper's statement has been posted in various threads. here is a copy in case you haven't read it
http://prosperclassaction.wordpress.com/




With a recent stock market rebound I am having a really hard time losing money. I am thinking of going heavily short but then there is a chance for a decline so I may just make money despite my best efforts. I really need prosper to come back because I know deadbeats won't let me down, may be I can go to credit boards when they finally reopen and tell them about prosper's weak collections and failing lawsuits against deadbeats.
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« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2009, 10:24:59 pm »

I think you should have a "FUCK NO" choice.
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« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2009, 10:28:50 pm »

I vote "Bwahahahah."
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« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2009, 01:03:32 am »

prosper's statement has been posted in various threads. here is a copy in case you haven't read it
http://prosperclassaction.wordpress.com/

You know, that link made me think of something -- Counsel for the class should immediately propound discovery on Prosper asking for a complete explanation of why it shut down again.  Clearly that is relevant to the class action claims of securities violations, and I bet that Prosper would have to admit under oath something very different than its absurd statement about the "lender outcry."   Ninja!  Unfortunately, it appears that counsel for the class is doing a pretty half-assed job so far.   Sad
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« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2009, 02:16:17 am »

Since when has Prosper ever listened to lender outcry? 
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« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2009, 02:55:50 am »

Kind of funny that they are looking for lender support.  Had they treated the lenders as customers, listened & responded to more of their concerns they probably would have received the support they are looking for.

I would suggest they ask the borrower community for support as they seemed to have been their most valued customers.
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« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2009, 04:23:05 am »

Since when has Prosper ever listened to lender outcry? 

They listen, then take opposite action?
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« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2009, 07:41:04 am »

Participated in P2P through Prosper 1.0- 1.x.

Didn't even get a Tshirt.
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« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2009, 09:34:38 am »

How many of you have confused the words lender and borrower?  Why should Prosper be any different?
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Total withdrawals: $3,488.74 minus (-) Total deposits: $3,600.00 = ($111.26)
Cash balance: $0
Principal value of active notes:  $0
Total active notes: 0 of 70.

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« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2009, 11:17:16 am »

Participated in P2P through Prosper 1.0- 1.x.

Didn't even get a Tshirt.

I got a T-Shirt!  Tongue
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« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2009, 02:26:11 pm »

Participated in P2P through Prosper 1.0- 1.x.

Didn't even get a Tshirt.

I got a T-Shirt!  Tongue

My t-shirt is unused... is it collectible? Wink
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« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2009, 02:35:53 pm »

I think they confused "lender outcry" with "lender crying"
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« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2009, 02:39:08 pm »

Has anyone contacted California's Commissioner of Corporations Preston DuFauchard regarding his glowing review of Prosper.com (http://money.cnn.com/2009/04/28/technology/hempel_prosper.fortune/?postversion=2009042811)? I nearly vomited when he is quoted as saying Prosper is an example of, "the kinds of innovative ideas that can help get credit in the hands of people who need it while instilling in our financial markets desperately needed openness and transparency."

Clearly he has not looked at the performance stats for all of Prosper's notes/loans/illegal securities. According to Prosper (http://www.prosper.com/invest/performance.aspx), all loans/notes/investments/illegal securities that have seasoned for at least 1 year have a net Charge-Off rate of 21.16%. Chrage-off rates by credit score (for this same time period) are:

760-9909.12%
720-75915.58%
680-71919.50%
640-67923.15%
600-63925.57%
560-59934.03%
520-55942.63%
No Credit52.83%

Out of the remaining loans/notes/illegal securities/Identity Theft victims, only 88.37% are current. The rest are in some state of delinquency. Based on Prosper's abysmal collections results, we know that MOST of the non-current loans/notes/illegal securities will end up being "Charged Off". So, here is the summary of all notes/loans/investments/thieving son-of-a-bitch borrowers that are at least 12 months old:

StatusLoan Count% by CountLoan Amount% by Amount
Total22,212100%$140,604,546100%
Paid In Full5,45524.56%$31,112,17122.13%
Current9,98644.96%$31,453,87622.37%
Late (<1 month)2341.05%$924,1040.66%
Late (>1 month and <4 months)7023.16%$3,216,5962.29%
Charged Off5,83526.27%$30,409,16121.63%

Quote from: Prospers Performance Stats
Speaking of "transparency", I am having trouble locating $43,488,638 in loans from the performance page. The "loan count" column adds up nicely to 22,212 total loans. But the total of the amount column comes up a tad short (roughly $43mil, give or take). The discrepancy is in the "Performance Data" area, which shows 10,220 active and billed loans <1 month late for $65mil, and 702 loans that are active and billed and 1+ months late, for a total of $5.4mill. The delinquency table accounts for all 10,922 loans by count, but can only account for $35.6mil of the amount. Where did I screw up my math???

Assuming that the ">1 month" late categories all end up being charged off (if someone has more accurate numbers, please feel free to link them and I will update my stats), it looks like a net charge-off rate of 29.43%. I shudder at the thought of 29.43% charge-offs being an "innovative" way to get "credit in the hands of people who need it". What is Preston DuFauchard thinking? Prosper may put credit in the hands of the people who need it, true. But it fails at putting credit in the hands of people that DESERVE it. Credit is earned. Just because you NEED the loan, doesn't mean it is a good idea to give you the money. Too many of us lenders/investors tried to "put credit in the hands of the people that needed it" and were burned. I don't know if we can blame Prosper's scoring system, their collections (or lack thereof), or a lack of enforcement of their notes. Frankly, I don't care HOW it failed or WHY it failed. I only care that it DID fail and somehow this fool in Sacremento thinks Prosper is a good idea and the cure to what ails the California economy???

Of course, these numbers are not new to any of you. So why put them here? Because I think that Preston DuFauchard should get a chance to rethink his position on Prosper. All these numbers and tables can easily be copied and pasted into an e-mail. And to whom should this e-mail be addressed? Why to Preston DuFauchard of course. I'm sure his e-mail address is listed on some government website somewhere, but just in case, you will also find it here: pdufauch@corp.ca.gov. Feel free to send him the truth behind this "innovative" way of taking our hard earned money from our hands and into the hands "of people that need it", without any ability to enforce or protect our investment.

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« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2009, 02:42:06 pm »

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