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Re: Prosper plans to reopen
« Reply #90 on: April 28, 2009, 08:32:47 pm »

How do we know that CPS isn't lying & saying these loans are current just so they can cash out?

A used car dealer lie?  Please.   :ninja:
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Re: Prosper plans to reopen
« Reply #91 on: April 28, 2009, 08:34:35 pm »


How do we know that CPS isn't lying & saying these loans are current just so they can cash out?

They could have held money for a few months of repayment, they could be lying about the payments, they might have repossessed the car already, the problems at Prosper haven't changed... nothing is transparent, we don't know the whole story, and Prosper seems bent on not revealing any of it to lenders.
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Re: Prosper plans to reopen
« Reply #92 on: April 28, 2009, 08:34:49 pm »

How do we know that CPS isn't lying & saying these loans are current just so they can cash out?
That should work in the short run, but after a year people should catch on... or at least those that were observant would catch on.
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Re: Prosper plans to reopen
« Reply #93 on: April 28, 2009, 08:36:14 pm »

How do we know that CPS isn't lying & saying these loans are current just so they can cash out?
That should work in the short run, but after a year people should catch on... or at least those that were observant would catch on.

You just change the data..Prosper has changed that point at least 3x.

New lenders never learn.
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Re: Prosper plans to reopen
« Reply #94 on: April 28, 2009, 08:39:20 pm »

Seriously though, this is the perfect scheme for a used car dealer.  

1.  Sell used car to any schmoe for 2.5 times the real value.
2.  Tell schmoe you don't care if he pays or not.
3.  Make the first 4 payments yourself.  
4.  Sell the payment stream.
5.  Make 2 more payments.
6.  Allow the loan to default.
7.  Repo the car and sell the car to your other dealership for half the value
8.  Give sucker lenders investors the proceeds after the repo company you own charges outrageous costs.
9.  Sell the same car all over again.
10.  You could get profit 100%-125% the value of the car over and over again.
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Re: Prosper plans to reopen
« Reply #95 on: April 28, 2009, 08:42:39 pm »

Seriously though, this is the perfect scheme for a used car dealer.  

1.  Sell used car to any schmoe for 2.5 times the real value.
2.  Tell schmoe you don't care if he pays or not.
3.  Make the first 4 payments yourself.  
4.  Sell the payment stream.
5.  Make 2 more payments.
6.  Allow the loan to default.
7.  Repo the car and sell the car to your other dealership for half the value
8.  Give sucker lenders investors the proceeds after the repo company you own charges outrageous costs.
9.  Sell the same car all over again.
10.  You could get profit 100%-125% the value of the car over and over again.

As i typed earlier..It's a CDS for cars
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Re: Prosper plans to reopen
« Reply #96 on: April 28, 2009, 08:48:18 pm »

How do we know that CPS isn't lying & saying these loans are current just so they can cash out?

They're cashing out alright.

I find it strange the VINs are "on file" but not published on the site. Isn't the auto collateral for the note? Lenders should have access to this info considering most are financed over their book.

Also say if a loan was late, they repo the auto sell it at auction to a shell, put it back on the lot and sell the car again while socking the first note with "charges" and collections to float it.

They could have multiple listings for the same car, no?

 
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Re: Prosper plans to reopen
« Reply #97 on: April 28, 2009, 08:50:21 pm »

Now that I think about it, why even bother with a car.  Just pay people to take out fake car loans. 
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Re: Prosper plans to reopen
« Reply #98 on: April 28, 2009, 08:52:58 pm »

Now that I think about it, why even bother with a car.  Just pay people to take out fake car loans. 

We are giving someone great ideas  :ninja:
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Re: Prosper plans to reopen
« Reply #99 on: April 28, 2009, 08:53:27 pm »

how long before marv gets involved?
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Re: Prosper plans to reopen
« Reply #100 on: April 28, 2009, 08:56:00 pm »


You just change the data.


The Data never changes. Except when Data changes into something more comfortable.

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Re: Prosper plans to reopen
« Reply #101 on: April 28, 2009, 08:57:35 pm »

Seriously though, this is the perfect scheme for a used car dealer.  

1.  Sell used car to any schmoe for 2.5 times the real value.
2.  Tell schmoe you don't care if he pays or not.
3.  Make the first 4 payments yourself.  
4.  Sell the payment stream.
5.  Make 2 more payments.
6.  Allow the loan to default.
7.  Repo the car and sell the car to your other dealership for half the value
8.  Give sucker lenders investors the proceeds after the repo company you own charges outrageous costs.
9.  Sell the same car all over again.
10.  You could get profit 100%-125% the value of the car over and over again.

As i typed earlier..It's a CDS for cars

It's brilliant.  And even if that isn't what's happening yet (although it sure looks like it might be), it won't take long for someone to figure it out...

I used to think Prosper was an ill-managed, poorly conceived project, with incompetent and hubris-filled management and too much of a willingness to work with whatever shady GL was churning loans...  

Which in and of itself isn't exactly sleazy... I never thought Prosper was a downright scam, just stupid.

But if these car loans are indeed what has been postulated here, and Prosper turns a blind eye to it...  

Well then, we've crossed the line into full fledged scamdom...

Although, I wonder if it really is going to matter in the long run... I seriously doubt a one-state operation is going to generate the critical mass of transactions needed to turn the red ink into black.  Hope that doesn't compel Prosper take dubious measures to balance the books by hook or crook...
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Re: Prosper plans to reopen
« Reply #102 on: April 28, 2009, 09:18:34 pm »

This is odd.I'm on transfer #2 for today..
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Amount:   $10.18
From:   Prosper
To:   Compass xxxx
Start:   Apr-29-2009
Frequency:   One Time
Should complete:   May-05-2009
Transfer number:   xxx
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Re: Prosper plans to reopen
« Reply #103 on: April 29, 2009, 12:18:01 am »

This is odd.I'm on transfer #2 for today..
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Amount:   $10.18
From:   Prosper
To:   Compass xxxx
Start:   Apr-29-2009
Frequency:   One Time
Should complete:   May-05-2009
Transfer number:   xxx
Read my last post on this thread. http://www.prospers.org/forum/where_is-t13259.0.html

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Re: Prosper plans to reopen
« Reply #104 on: April 29, 2009, 09:33:55 am »


You just change the data.


The Data never changes. Except when Data changes into something more comfortable.

- data


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