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bamalucky

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The facts of the matter
« on: March 01, 2010, 08:44:50 pm »

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Finally, it is important to reiterate that the best estimate of net returns from the entire portfolio of Prosper loans are roughly 6% as demonstrated by an independent University of Maryland study conducted using Prosper’s data, which is fully transparent and publicly available via Prosper’s API and data downloads.

http://blog.prosper.com/2008/09/02/the-facts-of-the-matter/

Those facts were lies then & are still lies today.

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Re: The facts of the matter
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2010, 08:48:26 pm »

When I tried to take a look at the actual study I am not able to.

From here: http://blog.prosper.com/2008/06/10/new-study-on-prosper-returns-and-dynamics/

The link is to this PDF:

http://terpconnect.umd.edu/~ginger/research/Freedman-Jin-ProsperStudy-061008.pdf

However, I am not able to view it. Can anyone else view it?

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Re: The facts of the matter
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2010, 08:54:47 pm »

Someone needs to dig out the contacts & ask them to run the data now
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Re: The facts of the matter
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2010, 09:08:03 pm »

When I tried to take a look at the actual study I am not able to.

From here: http://blog.prosper.com/2008/06/10/new-study-on-prosper-returns-and-dynamics/

The link is to this PDF:

http://terpconnect.umd.edu/~ginger/research/Freedman-Jin-ProsperStudy-061008.pdf

However, I am not able to view it. Can anyone else view it?
I cant find that paper anywhere, but I did find this paper with a date of 02/01/2010
http://kuafu.umd.edu/~ginger/research/Freedman-Jin-Feb2010.pdf

I assume it's the same one that has been updated
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Re: The facts of the matter
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2010, 09:35:45 pm »

page 33 Conclusion

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However, as lenders realize the
actual risk on the Internet, the P2P market has excluded more and more subprime borrowers
and evolved towards the population served by traditional credit markets. This suggests that,
unless P2P platforms can improve the power of social networks for borrowers with low credit
scores, P2P lending is likely to compete head-to-head with traditional banks in the future and
would not provide a viable alternative for those excluded from traditional credit markets.
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Re: The facts of the matter
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2010, 09:44:18 pm »

page 33 Conclusion

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However, as lenders realize the
actual risk on the Internet, the P2P market has excluded more and more subprime borrowers
and evolved towards the population served by traditional credit markets. This suggests that,
unless P2P platforms can improve the power of social networks for borrowers with low credit
scores, P2P lending is likely to compete head-to-head with traditional banks in the future and
would not provide a viable alternative for those excluded from traditional credit markets.

Even then, I'm not seeing how Prosper CAN compete head-to-head with traditional banks given the fees and non-competitive interest rates Prosper offers.

ETA: nominate 4 lobby
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Re: The facts of the matter
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2010, 10:13:53 pm »

page 33 Conclusion

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However, as lenders realize the
actual risk on the Internet, the P2P market has excluded more and more subprime borrowers
and evolved towards the population served by traditional credit markets. This suggests that,
unless P2P platforms can improve the power of social networks for borrowers with low credit
scores, P2P lending is likely to compete head-to-head with traditional banks in the future and
would not provide a viable alternative for those excluded from traditional credit markets.

Even then, I'm not seeing how Prosper CAN compete head-to-head with traditional banks given the fees and non-competitive interest rates Prosper offers.

ETA: nominate 4 lobby

Oh that one is simple. A lot of banks don't even offer unsecured loans anymore, for example Bank of America.

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Re: The facts of the matter
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2010, 09:15:39 am »

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Re: The facts of the matter
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2010, 07:42:12 am »

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...our IRR estimates may have overestimated the return of investment
because we do not consider any cost that lenders may incur in processing Prosper information.
The time that lenders spend on screening listings and digesting Prosper history could be long
and stressful.

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Re: The facts of the matter
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2010, 01:02:21 pm »

I cant find that paper anywhere, but I did find this paper with a date of 02/01/2010
http://kuafu.umd.edu/~ginger/research/Freedman-Jin-Feb2010.pdf

My comment - which includes the above URL - got posted.
Not a biggie.  But still a pleasant surprise.
http://blog.prosper.com/2008/06/10/new-study-on-prosper-returns-and-dynamics/#comments

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Re: The facts of the matter
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2010, 01:15:15 pm »

It's easy for them to respond & allow comments on a blog that is 2 years old & you can only see with a direct link.
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Re: The facts of the matter
« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2010, 01:39:08 pm »

Little steps....     ;)

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It's easy for them to respond & allow comments on a blog that is 2 years old & you can only see with a direct link.

Easier still to complain about it.   ;D
« Last Edit: March 05, 2010, 08:29:42 am by NewHorizon »
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Re: The facts of the matter
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2010, 07:22:54 pm »

page 33 Conclusion

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However, as lenders realize the
actual risk on the Internet, the P2P market has excluded more and more subprime borrowers
and evolved towards the population served by traditional credit markets. This suggests that,
unless P2P platforms can improve the power of social networks for borrowers with low credit
scores, P2P lending is likely to compete head-to-head with traditional banks in the future and
would not provide a viable alternative for those excluded from traditional credit markets.

Even then, I'm not seeing how Prosper CAN compete head-to-head with traditional banks given the fees and non-competitive interest rates Prosper offers.

ETA: nominate 4 lobby

Oh that one is simple. A lot of banks don't even offer unsecured loans anymore, for example Bank of America.


credit cards notwithstanding.
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