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Xenon481

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Re: Prosper Webinar Tomorrow
« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2011, 01:41:38 pm »

I just asked this question (waiting for an answer):

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Q: Per Prosper's latest 10-Q filed with the SEC, Prosper currently has a "Total Accumulated Deficit" of $54,288,541 and even though 2011 revenues are higher than 2010 revenues, 2011 losses ($989,139/month) have outpaced losses in 2010. With 2011 losses that are 27x the "Net Revenues", what means are being taken to ensure profitability (and future debt payoff) so that customers can be ensured that Prosper will still exist in the future when loans mature?

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Re: Prosper Webinar Tomorrow
« Reply #16 on: August 18, 2011, 01:43:19 pm »

Now they are talking about the loan loss rates and ratings etc.

I asked the following question (also has not been answered):

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Q: The method used to calculate credit grades has changed over time. Are these vintage charts based on the original credit grade classifications at the time of the loan or is this backwards looking with the new calculation method?

We are now in the Q&A session.

Prosper answered this question stating that the charts are based on the original credit grade classifications.



My session does not load. Has anyone asked about the financial future of Prosper?
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Re: Prosper Webinar Tomorrow
« Reply #17 on: August 18, 2011, 01:44:16 pm »

Now they are talking about the loan loss rates and ratings etc.

I asked the following question (also has not been answered):

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Q: The method used to calculate credit grades has changed over time. Are these vintage charts based on the original credit grade classifications at the time of the loan or is this backwards looking with the new calculation method?

We are now in the Q&A session.

Prosper answered this question stating that the charts are based on the original credit grade classifications.



My session does not load. Has anyone asked about the financial future of Prosper?

See just above. I just asked and am waiting to see if they answer. But they haven't yet addressed any questions in that direction yet.

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Re: Prosper Webinar Tomorrow
« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2011, 01:44:59 pm »

They just mentioned that somebody asked why we don't have more transparency into collections. They said that they are working on it.

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Re: Prosper Webinar Tomorrow
« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2011, 01:51:46 pm »

They are answering a "What happens if Prosper goes BK" question.

One of the guys is saying something along the lines of "we don't think that's going to happen."

Another guy is talking about a backup loan servicer.


Now they are talking about how the move from auction to fixed rate has kept lenders from making stupid low rate decisions.

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Re: Prosper Webinar Tomorrow
« Reply #20 on: August 18, 2011, 01:52:41 pm »

They are answering a "What happens if Prosper goes BK" question.

One of the guys is saying something along the lines of "we don't think that's going to happen."

Another guy is talking about a backup loan servicer.


Now they are talking about how the move from auction to fixed rate has kept lenders from making stupid low rate decisions.

How is that they are claiming they are debt free?
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Re: Prosper Webinar Tomorrow
« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2011, 01:54:28 pm »

I just asked this question (waiting for an answer):

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Q: Per Prosper's latest 10-Q filed with the SEC, Prosper currently has a "Total Accumulated Deficit" of $54,288,541 and even though 2011 revenues are higher than 2010 revenues, 2011 losses ($989,139/month) have outpaced losses in 2010. With 2011 losses that are 27x the "Net Revenues", what means are being taken to ensure profitability (and future debt payoff) so that customers can be ensured that Prosper will still exist in the future when loans mature?

Never got an answer to this, so tried again slightly differently:

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Q: 2011 losses are currently 27x 2011 revenues, when do you see a profitability turnaround?

I also added a question about the Class Action Lawsuit.

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Q: There is currently a Class Action Lawsuit against Prosper. Can you talk to how this affects the risk of Prosper's solvency and the risk that current "lenders" may be taking?

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Re: Prosper Webinar Tomorrow
« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2011, 01:55:15 pm »

They just said, "Alright, that looks like all of the questions we have today.".................................

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Re: Prosper Webinar Tomorrow
« Reply #23 on: August 18, 2011, 01:57:00 pm »

I also just asked:

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Q: With the fact that these are fixed rate loans, why do you believe there is a need to "get in on the ground floor" that will help people that invest early?


Edit: And they just ended the webinar.
« Last Edit: August 18, 2011, 01:58:33 pm by Xenon481 »
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Re: Prosper Webinar Tomorrow
« Reply #24 on: August 18, 2011, 02:06:12 pm »

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Re: Prosper Webinar Tomorrow
« Reply #25 on: August 18, 2011, 02:09:39 pm »

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Re: Prosper Webinar Tomorrow
« Reply #26 on: August 18, 2011, 02:18:16 pm »

Xenon: Any insight on how they specifically stated that they have virtually no debt on their balance sheets?
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Re: Prosper Webinar Tomorrow
« Reply #27 on: August 18, 2011, 02:33:06 pm »

Xenon: Any insight on how they specifically stated that they have virtually no debt on their balance sheets?

Per their latest 10-Q, they have ~$46million in "Total Liabilities". ~$44million of that is liabilities to the lenders via the borrower dependent notes. These are liabilities of Prosper itself, but Prosper has the option of not paying that liabilities if the borrower does not pay Prosper, so Prosper is calling those awash which leaves us with ~$2million in liabilities which is split between "accounts payable" (bills) of ~$600k and "accrued liabilities" (true debt not currently being paid off in full) of ~$1.5million.

They also have cash on hand of ~$16million. Since that $16million is > $1.5million, they are saying they are debt free and have extra cash on hand.

Under "Stockholder Equity", the stock holders have "paid-in capital" ~$74million and the current "stockholders' equity" is ~$19million, thus leaving us with a stockholders' "accumulated deficit" of ~$54million.


Edit: So, current "stockholders' equity" is ~$19million and the latest round of stock sale to the VC investors was ~$17million............
« Last Edit: August 18, 2011, 02:35:52 pm by Xenon481 »
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Re: Prosper Webinar Tomorrow
« Reply #28 on: August 18, 2011, 07:25:31 pm »

Prosper does not owe money to either its investors or employees. Equity investors are owed nothing and lose their shirts if the company can't pay its bills, and employees can be let go if a company can no longer pay them.

What Prosper said about its debt is basically true: it has very little debt in the balance sheet meaning of the term. Its problems involve cash flow. For example, it has very little "debt" to its employees at any given time because employee salaries accrue (and become  "debt" for balance sheet purposes) only for a brief period before each paycheck is paid, so employees are never owed more than one paycheck (plus incidentals like accrued vacation) at any given time. But fact of the matter is, Prosper has to find a way to pay its employees their salaries not only this week but next year. Even though the money to pay those future salaries isn't called "debt" on the balance sheet, even though they're not called "expenses" until they actually happen, Prosper will have to come up with the money all the same or it will be unable to pay its employees and will go under.

Relatively debt free companies and individuals go under all the time because their immediate expencses exceed their income and savings, and no is willing to lend them anything.  Cash flow, not debt, is the problem.
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Re: Prosper Webinar Tomorrow
« Reply #29 on: August 18, 2011, 07:46:03 pm »

Cash flow, not debt, is the problem.

Absolutely. And currently, Prosper's H1 2011 Losses are 27x their H1 2011 Revenues.
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