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Re: Prosper class action update (for lobby)
« Reply #180 on: December 09, 2012, 03:11:42 pm »

Just speculating, but I since a lot of the secrecy is coming from the plaintiffs lawyers (not the defendents) I'm wondering if some of this is jockeying for a settlement offer. Something like "settle with us now and we can keep all this quiet, but if you keep going we can get this stuff blabbed all over."
Nope!

Yeah, I would have to agree with "nope."  It appears that Prosper got a protective order preventing Plaintiffs from publicly citing any information that Prosper designated as "confidential" in discovery.  As I noted above, however, it seems to me that this is unconstitutionally overbroad, and I wish someone would challenge it.
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Re: Prosper class action update (for lobby)
« Reply #181 on: December 09, 2012, 04:36:24 pm »

It appears that Prosper got a protective order preventing Plaintiffs from publicly citing any information that Prosper designated as "confidential" in discovery. 

If such protective order exists, should it be visible to us somewhere?  ...or would it too be secret?

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Re: Prosper class action update (for lobby)
« Reply #182 on: December 09, 2012, 04:45:06 pm »

It appears that Prosper got a protective order preventing Plaintiffs from publicly citing any information that Prosper designated as "confidential" in discovery. 

If such protective order exists, should it be visible to us somewhere?  ...or would it too be secret?

Should be public, although not impossible that it too was sealed -- especially since this judge appears to care a lot more about maintaining secrecy than protecting the public's right of access. 
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Re: Prosper class action update (for lobby)
« Reply #183 on: December 09, 2012, 05:57:11 pm »

Well, here's a protective order from 7/9/2009.  Seems to say parties can designate what is to be kept secret.

http://webaccess.sftc.org/minds_asp_pdf/mainpage.asp?Web_Server=webaccess.sftc.org&MINDS_Server=ntimagex&Category=C&DocID=02550701

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Re: Prosper class action update (for lobby)
« Reply #184 on: December 10, 2012, 02:04:08 am »

Well, here's a protective order from 7/9/2009.  Seems to say parties can designate what is to be kept secret.

http://webaccess.sftc.org/minds_asp_pdf/mainpage.asp?Web_Server=webaccess.sftc.org&MINDS_Server=ntimagex&Category=C&DocID=02550701

Yes, that's it.  And yes, parties can designate matters as "confidential."  However, that is not the end of the analysis with respect to such matters submitted to the court for use in an adjudication, such the the summary judgment motion.  As noted in the Protective Order itself, California Rules of Court Section 2.550 governs such material.  And that section provides:

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(c) Court records presumed to be open

Unless confidentiality is required by law, court records are presumed to be open.


(d) Express factual findings required to seal records

The court may order that a record be filed under seal only if it expressly finds facts that establish:

(1)There exists an overriding interest that overcomes the right of public access to the record;

(2)The overriding interest supports sealing the record;

(3)A substantial probability exists that the overriding interest will be prejudiced if the record is not sealed;

(4)The proposed sealing is narrowly tailored; and

(5)No less restrictive means exist to achieve the overriding interest.


(Subd (d) amended effective January 1, 2004.)

(e) Content and scope of the order

(1)An order sealing the record must:

(A)Specifically state the facts that support the findings; and

(B)Direct the sealing of only those documents and pages, or, if reasonably practicable, portions of those documents and pages, that contain the material that needs to be placed under seal. All other portions of each document or page must be included in the public file.
http://www.courts.ca.gov/cms/rules/index.cfm?title=two&linkid=rule2_550

There does not appear to be any such order in the file.  And it seems unlikely to me, based on what I saw in the Motion and associated documents, that all of the redacted material meets the above criteria.  Moreover, CRC 2.550 is not a "mere" rule of court that the court put together for administrative reasons -- it basically states constitutional requirements based on the public's right of access to court proceedings.  Here is the Advisory Committee Comment to the Rule:

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This rule and rule 2.551 provide a standard and procedures for courts to use when a request is made to seal a record. The standard is based on NBC Subsidiary (KNBC-TV), Inc. v. Superior Court (1999) 20 Cal.4th 1178. These rules apply to civil and criminal cases. They recognize the First Amendment right of access to documents used at trial or as a basis of adjudication. The rules do not apply to records that courts must keep confidential by law. Examples of confidential records to which public access is restricted by law are records of the family conciliation court (Family Code, § 1818(b)), in forma pauperis applications (Cal. Rules of Court, rules 3.54 and 8.26), and search warrant affidavits sealed under People v. Hobbs (1994) 7 Cal.4th 948. The sealed records rules also do not apply to discovery proceedings, motions, and materials that are not used at trial or submitted to the court as a basis for adjudication. (See NBC Subsidiary, supra, 20 Cal.4th at pp. 1208-1209, fn. 25.)

Rule 2.550(d)-(e) is derived from NBC Subsidiary. That decision contains the requirements that the court, before closing a hearing or sealing a transcript, must find an "overriding interest" that supports the closure or sealing, and must make certain express findings. (Id. at pp. 1217-1218.) The decision notes that the First Amendment right of access applies to records filed in both civil and criminal cases as a basis for adjudication. (Id. at pp. 1208-1209, fn. 25.) Thus, the NBC Subsidiary test applies to the sealing of records.

NBC Subsidiary provides examples of various interests that courts have acknowledged may constitute "overriding interests." (See id. at p. 1222, fn. 46.) Courts have found that, under appropriate circumstances, various statutory privileges, trade secrets, and privacy interests, when properly asserted and not waived, may constitute "overriding interests." The rules do not attempt to define what may constitute an "overriding interest," but leave this to case law.

Rule 2.551 provides the procedures applicable to filing things under seal.  As it notes:

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A record must not be filed under seal without a court order. The court must not permit a record to be filed under seal based solely on the agreement or stipulation of the parties.
http://www.courts.ca.gov/cms/rules/index.cfm?title=two&linkid=rule2_551

However, upon reviewing the procedures set forth in Rule 2.551, it looks like my criticism of the Court may have been premature:

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(3)Procedure for party not intending to file motion or application

(A)A party that files or intends to file with the court, for the purposes of adjudication or to use at trial, records produced in discovery that are subject to a confidentiality agreement or protective order, and does not intend to request to have the records sealed, must:

(i)Lodge the unredacted records subject to the confidentiality agreement or protective order and any pleadings, memorandums, declarations, and other documents that disclose the contents of the records, in the manner stated in (d);

(ii)File copies of the documents in (i) that are redacted so that they do not disclose the contents of the records that are subject to the confidentiality agreement or protective order; and

(iii)Give written notice to the party that produced the records that the records and the other documents lodged under (i) will be placed in the public court file unless that party files a timely motion or application to seal the records under this rule.

(B)If the party that produced the documents and was served with the notice under (A)(iii) fails to file a motion or an application to seal the records within 10 days or to obtain a court order extending the time to file such a motion or an application, the clerk must promptly remove all the documents in (A)(i) from the envelope or container where they are located and place them in the public file. If the party files a motion or an application to seal within 10 days or such later time as the court has ordered, these documents are to remain conditionally under seal until the court rules on the motion or application and thereafter are to be filed as ordered by the court.

Here it was Plaintiffs that used the material designated by Prosper as confidential, so they had to follow the above rules.  Prosper then has 10 days to file a motion with the Court (or seek additional time in which to do so), requesting an order that the "confidential" material be sealed.  If it fails to file such a motion, the clerk must make the documents public.  Since Plaintiffs filed the material on November 30, Prosper's time hasn't quite run out yet (although it will pretty soon).  If it doesn't timely file a motion, the documents will be public.  If Prosper does timely file a motion to seal, then the Court will have to make the findings specified above, which seems unlikely to me with respect to a lot of the material.  However, unopposed motions are prone to judicial error, because without a vigorous opposition by the other side, it is a lot easier for the court to screw up (that is why we have an adversarial system).  So I really hope that if Prosper makes a motion to seal, that the Plaintiffs vigorously oppose the motion as a service to the Class (even though the specific issue of whether the material is public or not may not have much effect on the underlying litigation). 
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Re: Prosper class action update (for lobby)
« Reply #185 on: December 10, 2012, 12:56:16 pm »

Thanks, IRA. Good analysis.
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Re: Prosper class action update (for lobby)
« Reply #186 on: December 10, 2012, 05:40:34 pm »

« Last Edit: December 10, 2012, 05:45:32 pm by msava »
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Re: Prosper class action update (for lobby)
« Reply #187 on: December 20, 2012, 03:31:14 pm »

Summary to continued now on 16 Jan 13.....
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Re: Prosper class action update (for lobby)
« Reply #188 on: December 20, 2012, 04:27:55 pm »

Summary to continued now on 16 Jan 13.....

Not just the motion for summary judgment, but also Defendants' application to file the "confidential" material under seal.  Defendants claim that all of the "confidential" material is proprietary information that would cause it grave harm if publicly released, but that seems to me to be a bunch of hooey.  There appeared to be a hell of a lot more material redacted from Plaintiffs' legal documents than just the "narrowly tailored" stuff Defendants assert in their Application.  Moreover, it appears that much of the allegedly "confidential" material is many years old, so even if it was confidential at one time, it is unlikely that Prosper would suffer any legally-recognizable competitive harm by its release now. 

I really hope that class counsel intends to vigorously oppose Defendants' application, and strongly argue that the public (including the class members that constitute the Plaintiffs in this case) has a right to see all but the most clearly truly confidential material.  Court proceedings are supposed to be PUBLIC, not secret and hidden from view (just because Prosper is concerned that the material may make it look bad, which is likely its main motivation in seeking to hide the evidence from public view).
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Re: Prosper class action update (for lobby)
« Reply #189 on: December 20, 2012, 04:49:08 pm »

Some of the screenshots that are redacted are straight from their own public website. And I'm pretty sure that some of the text that is redacted is from their own publicly published legal agreements.

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Re: Prosper class action update (for lobby)
« Reply #190 on: December 20, 2012, 05:14:01 pm »

Some of the screenshots that are redacted are straight from their own public website. And I'm pretty sure that some of the text that is redacted is from their own publicly published legal agreements.

Yep.  And their Application mentions "confidential" loan performance data, which is, of course, all public as well.  My guess is that very little of the material Prosper considers "confidential," really is.  Which is not surprising.  When companies turn over discovery materials, they tend to mark a vast amount of stuff "confidential," because no one really cares if they do since the other side is still getting the material.  And that's fine, as long as the material isn't used in court.  Discovery materials are not "public."  But when evidence is used in court (including on a motion such as this summary judgment motion), it generally IS public, because the pubic has a right to know what is going on in the public's courts.  Prosper has a high burden to meet before it can keep evidence used in court secret.  But without class counsel vigorously opposing Prosper's secrecy efforts, some courts don't adequately look out for the public's right to know, and allow the parties to agree to keep material secret that shouldn't be kept secret.  I hope that doesn't happen here.
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Re: Prosper class action update (for lobby)
« Reply #191 on: January 16, 2013, 10:30:36 pm »

There was a new filing made this week that some may find an interesting read.
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Re: Prosper class action update (for lobby)
« Reply #192 on: January 17, 2013, 01:21:23 am »

There was a new filing made this week that some may find an interesting read.

Thanks for the heads up.  The actual order isn't posted yet, but here is the docket description:

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ORDER DENYING MOTION FOR SUMMARY ADJUDICATION AND GRANTING AND DENYING REQUESTS FOR JUDICIAL NOTICE AND DENYING PLAINTIFFS' MOTION TO STRIKE SEPARATE STATEMENT AND DENYING APPLICATION TO SEAL

Looks like a complete strike-out by Prosper.  Its motion for summary adjudication was denied (I assume the summary judgment was denied as well), and so was their motion to seal the documents.  I can't wait to hear the Prosper ass-kissers try to spin this.  Assuming that this doesn't result in the VC's pulling the plug on Prosper now, by failing to kick in more money in the next month or so, Prosper is simply going to have to settle, for a very substantial amount of money -- or else face a bankrupting jury verdict.  Let's face it -- this case has no jury appeal for Prosper.  Does it really think that ordinary jurors are going to be in the least bit sympathetic to it?  To say nothing of the fact that the law and the facts are also against it.  Once the SEC determined that Prosper sold unregistered securities in violation of the law, its goose was well-cooked. 
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Re: Prosper class action update (for lobby)
« Reply #193 on: January 17, 2013, 03:38:24 am »

In a nutshell...
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Defendants' other arguments are simply frivolous.
...but they got to kick the can down the road until March 13, 2013. 

More time to burn cash, pay 6-figure salaries out, give directors time to hide/protect/spend down assets.
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Re: Prosper class action update (for lobby)
« Reply #194 on: January 17, 2013, 05:40:30 am »

A New Judge is now handling the Case!
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