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Re: Article on Prosper Collections Procedure
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2012, 11:56:11 am »

What a bunch of lies. 

Anyone here aware of liens/judgments against defaulting homeowners?
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Re: Article on Prosper Collections Procedure
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2012, 12:06:55 pm »

What a bunch of lies. 

Anyone here aware of liens/judgments against defaulting homeowners?

Nope.  Back in the time of the NAT debacle, a bunch of us scoured court databases for every case filed by Prosper, in order to track the NAT progress.  IIRC, we identified more than half of the cases, and I don't recall a single judgment.  Virtually all of the cases were dismissed.  Somehow, I doubt that Prosper filed more lawsuits after those.
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Re: Article on Prosper Collections Procedure
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2012, 12:20:10 pm »

There is so much horseshit in that article it is hard to know where to begin.  The whole "judgments and liens against homeowners" is crap, as xraider pointed out.  Moreover, it doesn't even make sense -- WGAF that many homeowners are underwater?  The only relevant question is whether the particular deadbeat Prosper borrower homeowner is underwater.  Prosper could easily and inexpensively check the approximate equity status of every defaulted homeowner (it knows how much money the homeowner owes on the mortgage via the credit report, which it can pull whenever it likes, and it could use Zillow (or more robust systems) for an approximation of FMV of the house).  So Prosper could easily separate its collection of defaulted homeowners into two piles -- those underwater and those with significant equity.  And it could handle each pile differently, rather than just using a vague generalization ("hey, lots of homeowners are underwater") to justify doing nothing.

Ditto re: the BK fraudsters.  I am not aware of any evidence that Prosper ever challenged the dischargeability of any of its loans in BK, despite many of us repeatedly telling Prosper to do so.  It is my understanding that loans taken within 90 days of BK filing are presumptively non-dischargeable as procured by fraud, at least absent evidence from the debtor that their circumstances significantly changed between obtaining the loan and deciding to file for BK.  If Prosper were halfway competent, it should be able to win those motions on a regular basis, which would put the lenders on a very good footing -- since the debtor's other debts would have been discharged, he/she would have a lot more money available to repay the Prosper loan. 
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Re: Article on Prosper Collections Procedure
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2012, 01:39:38 pm »

the process strikes me as one they print out during due diligence for investors
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Re: Article on Prosper Collections Procedure
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2012, 01:44:16 pm »

Is this the same "Nancy" who was handling pre-funding verifications back in the early days?
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Re: Article on Prosper Collections Procedure
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2012, 01:47:35 pm »

Where's Nonattender for clarification?
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Re: Article on Prosper Collections Procedure
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2012, 01:47:43 pm »

Enjoyed this quote:

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As for going to court it all about return on investment – and Prosper have figured out that the returns are not worth the costs involved.

I recall I sat right next to Chris Larsen at the SoCal M&G where he answered a similar question with the response that Prosper would aggressively go after these people in court - to make examples of the more blatant thiefs, even when it didn't necessarily make sense financially.

I am pretty sure Fred93 heard the same answer.
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Re: Article on Prosper Collections Procedure
« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2012, 01:53:19 pm »

Enjoyed this quote:

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As for going to court it all about return on investment – and Prosper have figured out that the returns are not worth the costs involved.

I recall I sat right next to Chris Larsen at the SoCal M&G where he answered a similar question with the response that Prosper would aggressively go after these people in court - to make examples of the more blatant thiefs, even when it didn't necessarily make sense financially.

I am pretty sure Fred93 heard the same answer.

Yes indeed.  I remember it well. 

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Re: Article on Prosper Collections Procedure
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2012, 01:57:00 pm »

DOUG FULLER DOESNT LOSE!
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Re: Article on Prosper Collections Procedure
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2012, 02:07:19 pm »

DOUG FULLER DOESNT LOSE!

What a blowhard in a long line of Prosper blowhards
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Re: Article on Prosper Collections Procedure
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2012, 02:48:37 pm »

Lobby.
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Re: Article on Prosper Collections Procedure
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2012, 03:10:01 pm »

Lobby.

2nd (might want to clean up the language)
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Re: Article on Prosper Collections Procedure
« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2012, 03:10:00 am »

It seems to me Prosper is pretty much admitting here that they don't do anything beyond a few emails, a few autodialer calls, handoff to collection agency, and chargeoff. There's lots of excuses for not doing anything more. But in the very act of making the excuses, they're admitting that there's nothing more they do.
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Re: Article on Prosper Collections Procedure
« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2012, 06:58:53 am »

You left off: Ding their credit rating.
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