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Peak Prosper Theory
« on: July 17, 2008, 02:31:07 pm »

"Peak Prosper" is the point in time when the maximum rate of loan origination is reached, after which the rate of funding enters terminal decline.

Are we there yet?  I don't know, but the numbers, IMO, are interesting to observe.

Prosper Total Member Growth
Prosper likes to flaunt their total member count as approaching 900,000.
While technically correct, only 190,000 people have ever registered as borrowers.
Only 93,000 people have registered as lenders.
Then, of course, we know that a significant number of people hold dual roles.

Let us make a generous assumption that NO members hold dual roles - and that these number represent approximately 280,000 unique users.

This means that 620,000 Prosper members have not completed registration to the point of qualifying as a borrower or a lender.
A stunning 68% of Prosper members are not engaged with the platform in a meaningful way.

Membership Growth by Month
For the last 18 months, Prosper has added more than 30,000 new members each month - which I think is quite robust.
The number of people who register as lenders during that same period of time hovers in the 2,000-5,000 range.

For April 2008, the numbers were as follows:
Total Membership Growth: 51,400
New Registered Lenders: 4,640 (9% of total new members for the month)
New Registered Borrowers: 11,200 (21.7% of total new members for the month)

35,560 people (or more than 69% of all new members in April) do not participate in a meaningful way.

Despite this hefty non-growth, the most recent months have seen a significant drop in new members, but I think it's too early to call it a trend.

In March 2007, more than 5,000 new registered lenders joined Prosper (one of Prosper's overall biggest months of total growth: 41,640).
In June 2008, only 2,870 new registered lenders joined Prosper - a decline of 42.7%.
The number of new registered borrowers has been holding pretty steady.

(Note, I am still going on the generous assumption that there are no dual-role holders)


Active Lenders and Borrowers By Month

In March 2007, the total number of Prosper members was 258,750.
In June 2008, that number had swelled to 818,420.

That is a staggering growth of more than 550,000 people - or a 216% increase in just 15 months.

Total funding levels during that same period of time grew from $48,440,000 to $156,310,000 - or an increase of 222%, which seems reasonable and relatively healthy.

The number of active lenders started to flatten significantly after March 2007, at which point the number of active lenders was 12,570.
In June 2008, the number of active lenders was 17,920.

I think it's interesting to note that this only represents a 42.56% increase.

On the borrower side, during that same period, the number of active borrowers grew from 6,460 to 9,490 - an increase of 46.9%.

Borrower/Lender Ratio
The Borrower/Lender ratio has remained quite flat during the period - from a 0.514 in March 2007 to a 0.529 in June 2008.
These are among the very lowest numbers seen during the entirety of Prosper's history.

This is good news for borrowers, but suggests perhaps that too many lenders are pursuing too few loans.


Final Thought
May 2008 saw Prosper having an all-time high of 18,870 active lenders, pursuing close-to-an-all-time high number of 10,110 active borrowers.

As of May 2008, 88,650 people have tried lending money on Prosper (again, a generous assumption, since we know not all registered lenders are actually lending).

During May 2008 - the "hottest" month in Prosper history (at least for Prosper) - only 18,870 people (or a meager 21.2%) had enough interest or confidence in the platform to consider bidding.


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Re: Peak Prosper Theory
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2008, 02:36:41 pm »

PMI has over 2900 loans in some stage of late before default right now out of a pool of about 18,000 loans.
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Re: Peak Prosper Theory
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2008, 02:38:31 pm »

how many registered lenders have lent money > $0
how many registered lenders have lent money > $0 after you subtract VBEs
how many registered borrowers have created any kind of listing?
how many registered borrowers have had at least one live listing?

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Re: Peak Prosper Theory
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2008, 02:43:30 pm »

how many registered lenders have lent money > $0
how many registered lenders have lent money > $0 after you subtract VBEs
how many registered borrowers have created any kind of listing?
how many registered borrowers have had at least one live listing?

I imagine the API savvy crowd could probably answer that?
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Re: Peak Prosper Theory
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2008, 03:55:17 pm »

Prosper Total Member Growth
Prosper likes to flaunt their total member count as approaching 900,000.
While technically correct, only 190,000 people have ever registered as borrowers.
Only 93,000 people have registered as lenders.
Then, of course, we know that a significant number of people hold dual roles.

Let us make a generous assumption that NO members hold dual roles - and that these number represent approximately 280,000 unique users.

This means that 620,000 Prosper members have not completed registration to the point of qualifying as a borrower or a lender.
A stunning 68% of Prosper members are not engaged with the platform in a meaningful way.
Those are the sock puppets created by borrowers to endorse their loans.
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Re: Peak Prosper Theory
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2008, 03:57:41 pm »

Those are the sock puppets created by borrowers to endorse their loans.

I think those make up a pretty significant portion.

Also, I think the dual-role overlap is not insignificant.
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Re: Peak Prosper Theory
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2008, 04:00:29 pm »

how many registered lenders have lent money > $0

According to Eric's, there are currently 45,729 lenders with at least $.01 invested.  It appears that this list excludes lenders who have been PIF'd.
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Re: Peak Prosper Theory
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2008, 04:02:38 pm »

Of that how many leanders are active past 3-6 when default become overwelming?
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Re: Peak Prosper Theory
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2008, 04:03:11 pm »

All friends & endorsers were ever meant to do was overinflate numbers for the VC.
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Re: Peak Prosper Theory
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2008, 04:06:17 pm »

that bucket thing that fred does with late loans he should do with how much lenders are lending.
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Re: Peak Prosper Theory
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2008, 04:14:15 pm »

that bucket thing that fred does with late loans he should do with how much lenders are lending.
Fred might cringe at the "he should do" part.
He's not obligated to do anything...
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Re: Peak Prosper Theory
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2008, 04:14:53 pm »

that bucket thing that fred does with late loans he should do with how much lenders are lending.
Fred might cringe at the "he should do" part.
He's not obligated to do anything...
of course. I didnt mean to imply that. sorry
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Re: Peak Prosper Theory
« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2008, 04:25:20 pm »

Here are other interesting numbers.  According to Lendingstats as of today:

Only 10 of the top 25 lenders (by dollars invested, which range from $933K-$223K) have any active bids, and only 5 of those active bids are greater than $1K.  So 80% of those top 25 lenders have no meaningful (for them) bids.

For the next 25 lenders (ranging from $220K-$170K), the numbers are even worse -- Only 6 have ANY active bids, and only 3 are > $1K.

There are 134 lenders with >$100K invested.  Only 49 of them (37%) have ANY active bids, and only 18 are >$1K.  Thus, almost two-thirds of six-figure lenders have NO active bids, and 87% of six-figure lenders have no meaningful bids.
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Re: Peak Prosper Theory
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2008, 08:34:10 pm »

They alienated a lot of the lenders and turned from what could have been their biggest support into an enemy aka this community, in addition currently all the talk in the news about people defaulting on all kinds of loans, there is talk about how credit cards will be next housing this is all horrible news in trying to recruit new lenders.  Prosper is hitting a low because of market conditions, and they will not see growth unless they fix collections and release a lot more information about the borrowers and allow lenders to grill borrowers about what ever is allowed by law. They don't seem to understand that the key is pleasing lenders and the borrowers will come on their own. The borrowers will go to where they can get the money at lowest rate.

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Re: Peak Prosper Theory
« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2008, 08:46:21 pm »

They alienated a lot of the lenders and turned from what could have been their biggest support into an enemy aka this community, in addition currently all the talk in the news about people defaulting on all kinds of loans, there is talk about how credit cards will be next housing this is all horrible news in trying to recruit new lenders.  Prosper is hitting a low because of market conditions, and they will not see growth unless they fix collections and release a lot more information about the borrowers and allow lenders to grill borrowers about what ever is allowed by law. They don't seem to understand that the key is pleasing lenders and the borrowers will come on their own. The borrowers will go to where they can get the money at lowest rate.
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The borrower pays the rent in their fee's, lenders just make money, or not, from PMI's great idea. We are not Prospers customers, just leaches looking for profit. So lenders make bad decisions lending to folks who PMI's model can't verify or sell to JDB's due to the cost increase to borrowers.

Until this changes the execution of their business model is flawed.

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