Prospers.ORG Prosper Forum

Advanced search  

News:

Welcome to Prospers.ORG!   Login here

Pages: 1 2 3 [4] 5 6 7   Go Down

Author Topic: Prosper debt sale crashes and burns  (Read 43637 times)

bankomatic

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Karma: +124/-59
  • Posts: 14939
  • Tyrant and Slave Master
    • View Profile
Re: Prosper debt sale crashes and burns
« Reply #45 on: June 02, 2008, 09:57:58 am »

Personally, I would not want to get 1.5 cents on the dollar because it's too low, I would rather hold the debt. On the other hand I think prosper may not have the right to decide what is too low and what isn't.

mothandrust

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Karma: +4859/-11102
  • Posts: 22899
    • View Profile
Re: Prosper debt sale crashes and burns
« Reply #46 on: June 02, 2008, 10:56:39 am »

Personally, I would not want to get 1.5 cents on the dollar because it's too low, I would rather hold the debt. On the other hand I think prosper may not have the right to decide what is too low and what isn't.

I don't want to pay $4 for a gallon of gas, but it sure beats driving around town for an hour hoping to find a station that is selling it for $2.50.

Maybe Prosper will offer all defaulted borrowers 10 cents on the dollar as a compromise this week--Prosper gets 2 cents, lenders get 8 cents.  On a $6M portfolio, that would mean Prosper would get $120K for making a few days worth of phone calls.

Ultimately it boils down to whether you believe the ends justify the means.

Do the ends (hopefully a better price) justify the means (Prosper abrogating the LRA)?
Logged
"Fake quotes will ruin the internet" -- Benjamin Franklin

ira01

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Karma: +144/-10471
  • Posts: 48286
    • View Profile
Re: Prosper debt sale crashes and burns
« Reply #47 on: June 02, 2008, 11:53:43 am »

So now Prosper can call up a borrower who has a 10K loan that went bad and say, "Hey, I hear you have this $1200 stimulus check coming next week.  How about you send us the $1200 and we'll consider your 10K debt payed in full." 

Considering that the LRA expressly prohibits modifying the Note terms, I think that if Prosper tried to do this, Prosper would quickly get sued. 
Logged
If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention.

GoBrowns2007

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Karma: +0/-0
  • Posts: 158
    • View Profile
Re: Prosper debt sale crashes and burns
« Reply #48 on: June 02, 2008, 12:15:47 pm »

Considering that the LRA expressly prohibits modifying the Note terms, I think that if Prosper tried to do this, Prosper would quickly get sued. 

This is highly speculative, of course, but I've got a feeling about this...

Once the loans are charged off, are the terms still in effect?

My feeling is that Prosper will make the case that they aren't. They'll claim, and they may or may not be right, that you're no longer holding notes, you're holding junk debt, same as the junk debt buyer would be. That would give them the freedom to use whatever creative post charge-off techniques they feel like using, including settlement or maybe even some sort of creative refinance. The thread by JDBuyer on Creditboards mentioned that his company sometimes offers debtors a brand new credit card to pay off the old debt. Maybe with Web Bank involved now, they can do something like that.

On the whole, I think lenders will be a lot better off with what Prosper is doing than they would have been if the debt had been sold at the prices offered. If Prosper even gets 10 cents on the dollar, you'll be better off. Plus, they'll have real data they can use at the next junk debt offering - "See, we recovered 17 cents on the dollar, and we're not even professional collectors. This debt is worth a lot more than you guys think."

Of course, Prosper could screw it all up.

Logged

ira01

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Karma: +144/-10471
  • Posts: 48286
    • View Profile
Re: Prosper debt sale crashes and burns
« Reply #49 on: June 02, 2008, 12:19:10 pm »

Considering that the LRA expressly prohibits modifying the Note terms, I think that if Prosper tried to do this, Prosper would quickly get sued. 

This is highly speculative, of course, but I've got a feeling about this...

Once the loans are charged off, are the terms still in effect?

Of course they are.  Prosper has no authority to modify the terms of the Notes, which we own.  Similarly, Prosper has no authority to cancel the Notes.  If they tried, I think an excellent case could be made that Prosper has converted our notes.
Logged
If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention.

xraider

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Karma: +1/-0
  • Posts: 6805
    • View Profile
Re: Prosper debt sale crashes and burns
« Reply #50 on: June 02, 2008, 12:21:04 pm »

(For the non-lawyers, "converted" is essentially civilspeak for "stole.")
Logged
Prosper missed me.  They lifted my suspension a day early.

Xenon481

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Karma: +813/-87
  • Posts: 12200
  • Feeling Gassy
    • View Profile
Re: Prosper debt sale crashes and burns
« Reply #51 on: June 02, 2008, 01:55:36 pm »

Personally, I would not want to get 1.5 cents on the dollar because it's too low, I would rather hold the debt. On the other hand I think prosper may not have the right to decide what is too low and what isn't.

I don't want to pay $4 for a gallon of gas, but it sure beats driving around town for an hour hoping to find a station that is selling it for $2.50.

Maybe Prosper will offer all defaulted borrowers 10 cents on the dollar as a compromise this week--Prosper gets 2 cents, lenders get 8 cents.  On a $6M portfolio, that would mean Prosper would get $120K for making a few days worth of phone calls.

Ultimately it boils down to whether you believe the ends justify the means.

Do the ends (hopefully a better price) justify the means (Prosper abrogating the LRA)?

Why in the world would Prosper get 2c off of that???  It is our money and the LRA says that proceeds are distributed to us.

Senator

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Karma: +0/-0
  • Posts: 1808
    • View Profile
Re: Prosper debt sale crashes and burns
« Reply #52 on: June 02, 2008, 10:27:05 pm »

Why in the world would Prosper get 2c off of that???  It is our money and the LRA says ...
:D :D :D
Logged
Stats as of 12/29/2010:
Total withdrawals: $3,488.87 minus (-) Total deposits: $3,600.00 = ($111.13)
Cash balance: $0
Principal value of active notes:  $0
Total active notes: 0 of 70.

Successful loans are made to persons who are on a clear path to financial stability. -Mjerryfirst May 18th, 2008.

I know that when I make my 10% those "unbelievers" will call it luck cause that will be the easiest way to excuse their mistakes. -Researchpro May 5th, 2009.

It's a great time to be poor and irresponsible in America. -PPT May 2009

res2

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Karma: +0/-0
  • Posts: 489
    • View Profile
    • MyListWatcher
Re: Prosper debt sale crashes and burns
« Reply #53 on: June 09, 2008, 09:55:05 am »

Why in the world would Prosper get 2c off of that???  It is our money and the LRA says ...
:D :D :D

+1

Chamatrain

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Karma: +0/-1
  • Posts: 6378
    • View Profile
Re: Prosper debt sale crashes and burns
« Reply #54 on: July 08, 2008, 02:13:48 pm »

BUMP

Has anybody gotten a response to their questions of what "post charge off collection techniques" are?  I know I have received the usual Prosper reply:  SILENCE.
Logged

Capital_Finance_Group

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Karma: +0/-0
  • Posts: 1586
    • View Profile
Re: Prosper debt sale crashes and burns
« Reply #55 on: July 11, 2008, 12:22:01 am »

BUMP

Has anybody gotten a response to their questions of what "post charge off collection techniques" are?  I know I have received the usual Prosper reply:  SILENCE.

I'm just guessing; however, in my experience with Prosper I must assume that this new category will be better known as the Forever Loan Category.
Logged

login

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Karma: +0/-0
  • Posts: 22
    • View Profile
Re: Prosper debt sale crashes and burns
« Reply #56 on: July 11, 2008, 01:21:37 am »

I am one of the first lender on on prosper and I am very disappointed how they keep holding on to these loans. Some of my 140+ 4 months lates are well over a year now. It seem they don't want to listen to what the lender want only what will benefit them or make them look good.
Logged

onthefence

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Karma: +0/-3
  • Posts: 5736
    • View Profile
Re: Prosper debt sale crashes and burns
« Reply #57 on: July 11, 2008, 07:16:48 am »

I'm betting one of the conditions that Prosper made is that the junk debt buyer can't return & get refunded for debts that turn out to be cases of identity theft.
Logged
Lobby permission granted

ira01

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Karma: +144/-10471
  • Posts: 48286
    • View Profile
Re: Prosper debt sale crashes and burns
« Reply #58 on: July 11, 2008, 11:16:39 am »

I'm betting one of the conditions that Prosper made is that the junk debt buyer can't return & get refunded for debts that turn out to be cases of identity theft.

+1.  That would be a vital condition from Prosper's POV, because it wouldn't just have to repay the JDB the pennies it paid for the loan, it would have to repurchase it from lenders for 100% of principal.  A very small fraction of ID-theft loans in the default portfolio would cost Prosper more than the entire amount received from the JDB for the whole portfolio. 
Logged
If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention.

Mtnchick

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Karma: +1971/-1063
  • Posts: 34374
    • View Profile
Re: Prosper debt sale crashes and burns
« Reply #59 on: July 18, 2008, 10:26:10 am »

Bumping for my 42 4+ month lates still sitting in limbo.
Logged
Classic comment from Urbi to a poster who said they were leaving:

"Once again, we note that your threats are hollow and you come across like a sad, lonely blowhard.

I doubt anyone here gives a shit about you.  We pretty much all know that you are a vile and unethical parasite of a human being with an abnormal craving for attention."
Pages: 1 2 3 [4] 5 6 7   Go Up