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DCS

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Re: Prosper debt sale crashes and burns
« Reply #60 on: July 18, 2008, 01:49:12 pm »

Regardless of whether the new charge off loan status will be a good thing or a bad thing, it sure is taking Prosper a LONG TIME to implement it!

I've got more 4+ lates than defaults, which mirrors the entire platform according to Prosper's own performance data.
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Re: Prosper debt sale crashes and burns
« Reply #61 on: July 22, 2008, 09:44:43 pm »

Has anyone thought about this.

The lack of a debt sale has doomed all future debt sale prices.

When you lump 10 month lates in with the recent 4+ lates in a junk debt sale,it's gonna drag the prices down on it all.

Or else we will all get hosed completely,because they will package a debt sale while excluding all the older debt,for benefit of the newer lenders.
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Re: Prosper debt sale crashes and burns
« Reply #62 on: July 22, 2008, 09:46:58 pm »

Yes, this is a depressing aspect.  I don't really see these deadbeat loans becoming any more attractive to JDBs in the near future.

I just don't understand what Prosper gains from the secrecy with the JDB process, unless they have something to hide.
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Re: Prosper debt sale crashes and burns
« Reply #63 on: July 22, 2008, 09:49:07 pm »

Oh i firmly believe any future debt sale will be packaged as fresh debt & the old will be packaged & sold for a lesser price.

I just hope PMI keeps it a secret & screws the newer lenders with a combined price on their end.
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Re: Prosper debt sale crashes and burns
« Reply #64 on: July 22, 2008, 09:58:50 pm »

They can't have a debt sale!

The default rate would scare off any new potential lenders!
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Re: Prosper debt sale crashes and burns
« Reply #65 on: July 22, 2008, 10:05:12 pm »

bama, I fully agree that the lack of debt sales is a self-fulfilling prophecy that will doom future debt sales.  I've raised that with Prosper, and have demanded that it sell the late debt.

Of course, my late debt is accumulating and I have no idea what Prosper intends to do with it.

Maybe they hope we'll all die of old age?
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Re: Prosper debt sale crashes and burns
« Reply #66 on: July 22, 2008, 10:06:15 pm »

Mine filed BK before Prosper could sell it.
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Re: Prosper debt sale crashes and burns
« Reply #67 on: July 22, 2008, 10:08:59 pm »

This all sounds so familiar...

If they unilaterally do away with the market, they don't have to mark our assets to market.  That allows them to keep the doors open and create more reckless loans.

Continuing to mark to fantasy just means the eventual implosion will be that much more spectacular. 
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Re: Prosper debt sale crashes and burns
« Reply #68 on: July 22, 2008, 10:11:46 pm »

I really don't see how Prosper will end except badly.

The hole is so deep now,i don't see how they can ever wash away the past when it's being added to daily.

I could see the attempt to cover things up if it were old problems but they are covering up right up till this post.
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Re: Prosper debt sale crashes and burns
« Reply #69 on: July 22, 2008, 11:31:21 pm »

I suggest PMI significantly change something (like a surge strip on the server), and then call the whole thing Prosper 2.0.

The current stats can be frozen as is, no more api, no updates publicly, only in individual lender and borrower accounts, if they are on the loans.

Then start over.
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Re: Prosper debt sale crashes and burns
« Reply #70 on: July 22, 2008, 11:46:51 pm »

They can't have a debt sale!

The default rate would scare off any new potential lenders!

I've been helping spread Fred93's default tracking chart around. 

I estimate that the net present + expected average Prosper default rate is somewhere around 25% just from eyeballing his graphs.

I'm a changed man.  I don't proselytize about Prosper anymore.   I just compare it to roulette at the casino.   But each spin at the roulette wheel takes 3 years before the ball drops.   I still bid, but it's sympathy bidding.   I have zero expectation of a return.   It's a super-high-risk investment.


When you read the Experian loss % estimate they give you, triple it.   That's your real risk.
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Re: Prosper debt sale crashes and burns
« Reply #71 on: July 23, 2008, 12:23:23 am »

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When you read the Experian loss % estimate they give you, triple it.   That's your real risk.

Triple?

It's far worse than that
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Re: Prosper debt sale crashes and burns
« Reply #72 on: July 23, 2008, 12:25:55 am »

I really don't see how Prosper will end except badly.

The hole is so deep now,i don't see how they can ever wash away the past when it's being added to daily.

I could see the attempt to cover things up if it were old problems but they are covering up right up till this post.

Prosper can fix this problem easily anytime they want to:

(1) Issue a press release where they apologize to lenders for abrogating the LRA's quarterly sales provision and for their futile market-timing escapades with our loans.  Fire or discipline whatever executive made this decision (was it jwitchel?).

(2) Bundle everything that was in the last sale and offer it up for bid.  The bids will of course be lower.  Sell the bundle at the best price.  Calculate the difference between the prices, and pay that difference to lenders, with 7% interest.  Preferably out of that executive's paycheck.

(3) Bundle up all the lates since then (has it been 3 more months?) and put it up for bid, and sell it at the market price.

(4) Provide lenders full disclosure about the bidding process so we can be assured that the lousy prices we're hearing are indeed market prices and not some lowball backroom deal.

(5) State that future debt sales will occur at 3 month intervals, and do it.
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Re: Prosper debt sale crashes and burns
« Reply #73 on: July 23, 2008, 12:28:26 am »

How can they pay me?

My 4+ $1000 bid filed BK while it's been in limbo.
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Re: Prosper debt sale crashes and burns
« Reply #74 on: July 23, 2008, 08:23:29 am »

bama, I think you posted this somewhere, but I'm on vacation and can't find it.

What's the loan number of your loan that went bk after it was 4+ late?

Thanks.
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