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lhsbandnurd

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Re: Prosper order to cease and desist by SEC
« Reply #195 on: November 27, 2008, 11:09:56 am »

Yep, every lender will get a coupon for one free drink.

10 drink minimum. Available only at participating restaraunts. Good for one beer or shot, no mixed drinks. Not available during happy hour*. One coupon per guest per visit and may not be combined with any other offer.
*Happy hour is considered to fall within our "It's 5 o'clock somewhere" drink special policy. As such, happy hour is open to the interpretation of management at the time of purchase.
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Re: Prosper order to cease and desist by SEC
« Reply #196 on: November 27, 2008, 11:19:27 am »

Yep, every lender will get a coupon for one free drink.

10 drink minimum. Available only at participating restaraunts. Good for one beer or shot, no mixed drinks. Not available during happy hour*. One coupon per guest per visit and may not be combined with any other offer.
*Happy hour is considered to fall within our "It's 5 o'clock somewhere" drink special policy. As such, happy hour is open to the interpretation of management at the time of purchase.
Cool!
« Last Edit: November 27, 2008, 11:31:44 am by beerbud1 »
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Re: Prosper order to cease and desist by SEC
« Reply #197 on: November 27, 2008, 11:30:24 am »

Wow- leave the board for a few weeks and look what happens. I have so little invested in Prosper I'm not sure  joining a lawsuit makes sense given I'd get literally pennies if that.

I do hope the biggest lenders are able to recover something.
« Last Edit: November 27, 2008, 05:12:13 pm by The_Cat »
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Re: Prosper order to cease and desist by SEC
« Reply #198 on: November 27, 2008, 11:55:03 am »

Just to note, if you are officially named in the complaint, you most likely would not be permitted to visit the next Prosper Days & let others know about it.
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Re: Prosper order to cease and desist by SEC
« Reply #199 on: November 27, 2008, 11:57:34 am »

Just to note, if you are officially named in the complaint, you most likely would not be permitted to visit the next Prosper Days & let others know about it.

Would that be so bad?  :D
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Re: Prosper order to cease and desist by SEC
« Reply #200 on: November 27, 2008, 12:01:04 pm »

Just to note, if you are officially named in the complaint, you most likely would not be permitted to visit the next Prosper Days & let others know about it.
Oh crap, I should have thought this through. ;D
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Re: Prosper order to cease and desist by SEC
« Reply #201 on: November 27, 2008, 12:04:52 pm »

Just set up a secondary UnProsper Days down the road :)
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Re: Prosper order to cease and desist by SEC
« Reply #202 on: November 27, 2008, 12:23:40 pm »

Pensioner will probably be joining this class action.

Pensioner should consult an attorney about bringing his own suit.  He has enough damages that he could probably find a capable attorney to take it on contingency, and he might be able to negotiate a better deal than he would get through the class.  And since there is less red tape, he might be able to beat the class action to a judgment, and collect on it while Prosper still has money.  And he would have a lot more flexibility regarding settlement, since class action settlements have to be approved by the court after giving notice to the class. 
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Re: Prosper order to cease and desist by SEC
« Reply #203 on: November 27, 2008, 12:29:01 pm »

If it becomes a true class action case, the assets of Prosper will be decided and then the plaintiff will get $X on the dollar. So it doesn't matter if you sign up now or sign up the day before the opt in expires, you're still going to get $X on the dollar. That's IF this is going to be a class action suit, of course.

It's filed as one.I would hope the more that signed up,the better chance it's classed as one early on.

Mtnchick is pretty much correct.  The named plaintiffs (as opposed to the unnamed class members) will get pretty much the same benefits as everyone else.  Sometimes class actions pay a relatively small amount to the named plaintiffs as compensation for their assistence in prosecuting the lawsuit, but these amounts are generally limited to a couple thousand dollars.  If the payments were too large, that would create a conflict of interest between the named plaintiffs and the class members. 

Whether the case is approved as a class action or not does not depend on the number of people who sign up.  Some class actions have only 1 named plaintiff, and 3 should be fine.  There are various factors for the court to consider in ruling on whether to certify a class.  These include things like the size of the class, how similar the claims of each class member are, the practicality of prosecuting the case as a class action, etc. 
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Re: Prosper order to cease and desist by SEC
« Reply #204 on: November 27, 2008, 12:32:07 pm »

Pensioner will probably be joining this class action.

Pensioner should consult an attorney about bringing his own suit.  He has enough damages that he could probably find a capable attorney to take it on contingency, and he might be able to negotiate a better deal than he would get through the class.  And since there is less red tape, he might be able to beat the class action to a judgment, and collect on it while Prosper still has money.  And he would have a lot more flexibility regarding settlement, since class action settlements have to be approved by the court after giving notice to the class. 
Here is the wording of an e-mail I received from Pensioner:

Beerbud1,

 

Please provide me with the particulars about the class action suit.  I would be more inclined to go that route rather than an individual action.

 

Pensioner

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Re: Prosper order to cease and desist by SEC
« Reply #205 on: November 27, 2008, 12:46:11 pm »

Class action might be the better way to go for pensioner.  Odds are if he got involved in a case on his own he would screw it up.
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Re: Prosper order to cease and desist by SEC
« Reply #206 on: November 27, 2008, 01:36:29 pm »

For once, I am not trying to be argumentative - I just don't understand.

I understand that many here have lost money investing in Prosper.  I understand that many think some of the things Prosper has done might be worth suing Prosper (the threat has been ongoing for months).  I understand they several just want to see Prosper go poof.

What I don't understand is how the SEC ruling that Prosper was selling unregistered securities makes anyone more or less harmed than they were 2 months ago.

Is it just a crack to stick some dynamite in?
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Re: Prosper order to cease and desist by SEC
« Reply #207 on: November 27, 2008, 01:40:14 pm »

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What I don't understand is how the SEC ruling that Prosper was selling unregistered securities makes anyone more or less harmed than they were 2 months ago.

We were harmed from the beginning.We bought a product from a company that didn't have a license to sell it to us.


When Prosper folds & the promised 3rd party servicer isn't in place,you may turn into the biggest whiner here.
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Re: Prosper order to cease and desist by SEC
« Reply #208 on: November 27, 2008, 01:48:55 pm »

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What I don't understand is how the SEC ruling that Prosper was selling unregistered securities makes anyone more or less harmed than they were 2 months ago.

We were harmed from the beginning.We bought a product from a company that didn't have a license to sell it to us.


When Prosper folds & the promised 3rd party servicer isn't in place,you may turn into the biggest whiner here.

Also until the day they closed they lied to Lenders about default rate, collections, verification and I don't remember them ever showing up at a BK hearing when a deadbeat files a week after getting a loan comes to my mind.

They sold a toxic product with lipstick
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Re: Prosper order to cease and desist by SEC
« Reply #209 on: November 27, 2008, 02:08:57 pm »

What I don't understand is how the SEC ruling that Prosper was selling unregistered securities makes anyone more or less harmed than they were 2 months ago.

It does seem strange, doesn't it?  All this hubub suddenly after an SEC action that doesn't discuss or even relate to the actual problems investors have experienced.

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Is it just a crack to stick some dynamite in?

I believe you need to think like a lawyer to understand.  Suppose you're a lawyer, and you're presented with a big list of issues, such as the list in the letter some investor/lenders wrote a few months ago.  You can reread that letter here: http://fred93blog.blogspot.com/2008/06/prospercom-lender-lawsuit.html

You'd be scratchin' your head, saying ot yourself, "How the hell am I gonna prove those things."  Those items tend to be of the form "They didn't do some particular thing good enough."  Well, what is the standard against which we judge that?  What evidence do we need to produce to show that they were incredibly sloppy?  Etc.  From the lawyer's perspective, its a bunch of work, and its all uncertain.

Now appears the SEC ruling.  The situation from the lawyer's perspective changes completely.  The SEC has ruled that a law has been violated.  Whether or not that's the grievance that the investors are upset about, that's something a lawyer can hang his hat on.  Its free.  All he has to do is produce the SEC document.  The level of difficulty for the lawyer has been reduced tremendously.  

You and I may not feel comfortable with this situation.  When I was a kid it was common to refer to a certain kind of lawyer as "ambulance chasers".  Seems like whenever there's an SEC action such as this, or even when the stock price of a public company falls suddenly, a bunch of lawyers file boilerplate class action lawsuits the next day.  Without actually knowing anything about the facts of the case, they each hope to be first to scoop up some grieving victims, and parade them in front of a judge, to argue that the victims should be certified by the court as a class, and he ought to be the lawyer to lead the class action, and scoop up his 33% or whatever.  These are no less ambulance chasers than the lawyers who chase actual ambulances.

Its kinda sad, in a way, because the things the SEC found wrong can probably be easily fixed.  I offer as evidence the fact that Lendingclub has fixed them.  On the other hand I don't think Lendingclub's present model is going to work.  There's no auction.  LC sets all the interest rates too low.

One can argue that the SEC did something dumb here.  An innovator always has regulatory risk.  The regulations aren't general principles.  They're specific rules written with the old ways of doing things in mind.  When somebody comes along with something a bit new and different, sometimes some flexibilty and creativity are required.  

On the other hand, there are things about the interface between Prosper and investors that desperately needed to be regulated, and the SEC is the regulator who protects investors.  Remember all the false advertising?  I think the SEC should have regulated that.  Strangely enough, in the investment world the National Association of Securities Dealers does much of the regulation of advertising.  I dunno.  As things are presently arranged, they don't regulate Prosper either.  Nobody was regulating how Prosper treated the investor.  That's bad.  Had to be fixed.  

Of course whatever you think of the SEC, there is no question that Prosper has pissed off large numbers of customers (ie investors, ie lenders), in many ways, and that was a really dumb thing to do.  I could go on and on about this.  The sins range from ignoring us to mishandling collections to outright insulting us (pick one of the famous Shira quotes, or the incredible community relations faux pas).  When handling other people's money, this just isn't a good idea to piss off large numbers of those people.

Sorry for the long answer.  Maybe "yes" would have been better.
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