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bamalucky

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Re: Prosper debt sale crashes and burns
« Reply #75 on: July 23, 2008, 08:36:20 am »

bama, I think you posted this somewhere, but I'm on vacation and can't find it.

What's the loan number of your loan that went bk after it was 4+ late?

Thanks.

I just looked & Prosper has added this
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   Bankruptcy filed
Collection activity on this loan has been suspended due to Chapter 7 bankruptcy filing by the borrower on Mar-19-2008. Read Prosper's bankruptcy policy.

WTF.Prosper didn't add it as BK till months later.

Loan # 18440
Listing #191831

Man,i can't believe they past posted the BK notice.
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Re: Prosper debt sale crashes and burns
« Reply #76 on: July 23, 2008, 08:47:53 am »

Man,i can't believe they past posted the BK notice.

While I may always be shocked by the occurrence, I will believe any level of incompetence or purposeful misstatement from Prosper.

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Re: Prosper debt sale crashes and burns
« Reply #77 on: July 25, 2008, 03:34:20 pm »

I've lost count...

How many months since the last debt sale now?
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Re: Prosper debt sale crashes and burns
« Reply #78 on: July 25, 2008, 03:43:33 pm »

Seven-  Since December 2007

Loan Default Sale History
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Re: Prosper debt sale crashes and burns
« Reply #79 on: July 22, 2009, 01:36:10 am »

Still outrageous.
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Re: Prosper debt sale crashes and burns
« Reply #80 on: July 22, 2009, 09:50:35 am »

Still outrageous.
Remember when home owners were preferred since their bad loans went for a premium in the bad debt sales?  Those were the days.  ::)
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Re: Prosper debt sale crashes and burns
« Reply #81 on: July 22, 2009, 10:15:54 am »

Remember when they had debt sales?
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Re: Prosper debt sale crashes and burns
« Reply #82 on: July 22, 2009, 04:10:06 pm »

Remember when they had debt sales?
Does Prosper's new TOS include debt sales?  If not, PCOCT?
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Re: Prosper debt sale crashes and burns
« Reply #83 on: July 22, 2009, 05:24:44 pm »

I'm glad they didn't sell my 4+ lates for 2 cents on the dollar. I'll take my chances holding the notes. If just a few decide they need to clean up their credit they might come back and pay them off. One pay off would make it all worthwhile.

I've actually had a few payments on 4+ lates that would probably put me up to 10 cents on the dollar on my total of 4+'s. I remember the first debt sale of getting about 10 cents on the dollar and thinking for those prices I'd rather hold them.
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Re: Prosper debt sale crashes and burns
« Reply #84 on: July 22, 2009, 06:31:51 pm »

I'm glad they didn't sell my 4+ lates for 2 cents on the dollar. I'll take my chances holding the notes.

You are the very atypical case.  Far more representative is me -- I have 11 charge-offs, for $413.44.  I just checked them all, and found that Prosper hasn't recovered ONE PENNY from any of them.  So even at 2% from a JDB, that would be $8.27 more than I have now.  And the past JDB sales were MUCH more than 2% -- in December 2006, homeowner loans got 27-30% (and non-homeowner AA-D's got 15-18%, while even E & HR's got 3-3.7%).  In May 2007, homeowners got 16-19%.  In August 2007, AA and A's got 23%, while B-D got 13.3%, and even E & HR got 8.1%.  At the final debt sale, in December 2007, homeowners got 12.5%, while non-homeowner AA & A got 9.6%, B-D got 9.1%, and even E & HR got 7.3%.  And in April 2008, Prosper rejected an offer for 4.17% for homeowners, and for non-homeowners AA & A would have gotten 3.2%, 3.03% for B-D, and even 2.43% for E & HR.  So my charge-offs would actually have netted me over $12 at the rejected prices. 

Moreover, don't forget that it appears that Prosper actually had a higher offer than the one it rejected, which it refused to consider because it didn't like certain unspecified "conditions"  -- possibly that Prosper would have to buy back confirmed id-theft loans (which it owed lenders a duty to do anyway, but which duty it has apparently repeatedly breached).  Of course, the legal agreements which are fully binding on Prosper did NOT permit it to reject JDB offers because Prosper didn't like the "conditions" (or the prices, for that matter), nor did those legal agreements permit Prosper to unilaterally choose not to have JDB sales, which were REQUIRED by the legal agreements.  And don't even get me started on the $500 that Prosper wrongfully cost lenders on one particular loan by rejecting a firm offer from a lender to purchase it for double the price Prosper actually accepted from a JDB.   >:(
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Re: Prosper debt sale crashes and burns
« Reply #85 on: July 22, 2009, 06:33:42 pm »

I think those early debt sale prices were a lie & Prosper ate that cost.

Imagine if the first debt sales had came in at .03 like they were really worth.

That would have killed them 2 years ago.
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Re: Prosper debt sale crashes and burns
« Reply #86 on: July 22, 2009, 07:05:53 pm »

I think those early debt sale prices were a lie & Prosper ate that cost.

Imagine if the first debt sales had came in at .03 like they were really worth.

That would have killed them 2 years ago.

I wholeheartedly agree.

After witnessing so much incompetence, misrepresentation, lying, and outright fraud by Prosper, I really can't believe anything they say.
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Re: Prosper debt sale crashes and burns
« Reply #87 on: July 22, 2009, 07:09:45 pm »

Think about it for a second. 30% of face for debt.
Had to be a lie
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Re: Prosper debt sale crashes and burns
« Reply #88 on: July 22, 2009, 07:22:22 pm »

30% might be right if there was already a judgement along with info on current bank accounts and such, but just not collected. A couple years ago there were attorneys offering 30% on those type of debt collections to put fast money into the pockets of those who had already done all the footwook but couldn't hold on any longer without some kind of cash flow from the bad situation.

Prosper loans were never anything like that though.
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Re: Prosper debt sale crashes and burns
« Reply #89 on: July 22, 2009, 07:24:45 pm »

Think about it for a second. 30% of face for debt.
Had to be a lie

Not necessarily.  A buyer could have figured that they would slap a lien on the house, and the homeowner would pay up.  Or they were testing out the waters on a relatively small amount of debt, figuring they would fine tune their bids on future sales.  Or they were dumb.  Who knows?  As inept and unethical as Prosper has shown itself to be, I don't really believe that it just made up the debt sales and covered the money itself.  
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